You’re listening to PART TWO of our 12th House Episode with Astrotherapist Lisa Broggi.
My dawg, Parts & Charts is blessed by Lisa’s lush insights and experience — we are very lucky to have her on AGAIN! Stay tuned for more guest episodes with her. There are endless amounts of topics to cover :)
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About Our Guest
Lisa Broggi aka The Lilith Therapist is a licensed therapist who integrates astrology into her work using the birth chart and current planetary transits to support clients in their healing and growth. She is also an astrology coach and educator, working one on one with clients and also offering online workshops and courses focused on astrology, healing, and reclaiming personal power so individuals can show up in the collective with their unique gifts. You can find her on socials as @the.lilith.therapist on Instagram, TikTok, and YouTube.
Here’s the thing about the 12th house: it doesn’t want to be understood.
It wants to be survived, dissolved into, and quietly thanked on the way out — which is, if you think about it, how most of the important things in a life actually work.
Nobody understands grief. Nobody understands the ocean. Nobody understands what happens in the last half hour of a good dinner with people they love, when the plates are mostly empty and nobody wants to be the first to stand up.
Lisa gets there through headphones. Taurus in the 12th, doing its slow sensory disappearing act — the body going still until whatever needed to move has moved. Chelsea goes to the ocean, or to Esalen, or to a Dharma talk, or into her own apartment for a week of careful solitude she has the good sense not to apologize for. KP goes to libraries. Same house, different waters. Everyone with a 12th house — which is everyone — has a version of this.
The textbooks, the apps, the astrology content designed to be frightening so people keep scrolling, they all want to name the 12th the house of self-undoing, hidden enemies, isolation, loss.
Which: sure, fine, sometimes.
But it’s also just what a certain kind of energy looks like before anyone’s taught you how to use it.
Lisa names the sponge, and the conversation slows down around it, because this is the thing that cracks the episode open. You walk into a room and you pick up what isn’t being said — the grief under the small talk, the resentment under the compliment, the want nobody in the room has given themselves permission to name. And then something comes out of your mouth, and it lands a little too hard, and people call you intense or triggering or too much, and you weren’t doing it on purpose. You were just reading the room. You were in the soup, as Lisa puts it, and one of the things about being in the soup is that you don’t always know where you end and the soup begins. Alone time isn’t a preference for a 12th house placement. It’s a calibration. It’s how you figure out whose feelings you’ve been carrying around all afternoon like somebody else’s coat.
Two vocabularies meet in this episode. Lisa reads the 12th house cusp through IFS — the signs as managers and firefighters, the strategies the psyche built to handle what it couldn’t metabolize in the open. KP reads it through a Jungian frame — closer to a map of unconscious material anyone with that placement was always going to have to meet, and the archetypal shape it takes when it finally meets them. Different languages, similar observation: something has been working on your behalf, mostly unseen, and naming it gives you choice about how it gets expressed. Otherwise — and this is KP being plain in the best way — sometimes it just turns into cigarettes.
Lisa shared her “Unison” story — her most alive 12th house memory: A Billy Joel and Elton John concert. Not even a song she particularly loved. The music drops out entirely and thousands of people keep singing Crocodile Rock a capella into the dark, and something opens up in her that has not, strictly speaking, closed. She had no language for it then. She has a little now. It’s a full-body reaction she still can’t quite talk about without almost crying. That’s the 12th house — the moment the self thins out and something else floods in, not as loss but as company.
KP tells another version, a client of hers who described community singing. You show up. You learn a song together. You sing it a few times. You go home. I don’t feel like I’m myself, the client said, but I’m part of everyone. There are a lot of definitions of the 12th house, some of them elaborate, some of them in Latin, and none of them are as good as that sentence. It isn’t the loss of the self. It’s the temporary porousness that lets a person locate a self worth coming back to. The self doesn’t go anywhere. It just stops being the loudest thing in the room for a minute, which — honestly — is a mercy.
You cannot see the 12th from where you’re standing. It’s where human beings put God because we can’t see God from here either. The Sagittarius 12th goes on a quest — into a library, into a book, into a paragraph that rearranges the furniture. The Cancer 12th house goes to the ocean and talks to the mermaid. The Taurus 12th puts on headphones and doesn’t move until something clears. They’re the house doing exactly what it does, which is find the path to something bigger by disappearing into it first.
You may feel like you’ll lose yourself. Or you may come back with more information than you left with.
Healthy hermit is a diagnosis and a lifestyle. Find your sign. Find your escape hatch.
Also in this episode
Why the zodiac sign on your 12th house cusp maps to protective strategies, and how to read it without judgment
The case for IFS as a clinically “woo” modality — and why that isn’t an insult
Lisa’s Taurus 12th: control parts, resistance to change, and surviving the Uranus in Taurus transit like a graduation
Healthy escapism as a legitimate 12th house practice — community singing, horse therapy, hot springs, and the Marin Headlands at the edge of the world
Why 12th housers sometimes say the unspoken thing in the room, and what to do about it when you’re the one doing it
Quotes
“All energies of us must be expressed. And if you know what your 12th house energy is, you have more choice in how it’s expressed. Otherwise, sometimes it turns into smoking cigarettes.”
— Lisa Broggi
“The 12th house is boundaryless — which is why you really do have to actively work to stay in your body and have boundaries. But there’s something super spongy and porous about it. You are a sponge. You are picking up energy everywhere you go.”
-Lisa Broggi
“What comes out of my mouth will be something that’s in the room but not spoken about — and I’m not doing it consciously at all. Some people say 12th housers can be really triggering to other people. But it’s just — you’re in the soup.”
-Lisa Broggi
“The 12th house sign — the zodiac sign — could be really great for understanding what some of your major firefighters are. Like, this sabotage. How do you abuse it? You want to find the healthy expression of that.”
-Lisa Broggi
“The 12th house paths are the way to find God.”
-KP Kaszubowski
“The 12th house is where we as humans choose where God is. It’s the vantage point we can’t see from — so that’s where we conceive of source and spirit. Our 12th house paths are the way to God, if we want to be reductive.”
-KP Kaszubowski
“Moon in the 12th, the ocean is my mother, no shit.”
-Lisa Broggi
Work With Us
Hellenistic astrologer · Astro Parts Work · poet
KP offers Hellenistic chart readings that treat the birth chart as a map of the psyche’s inner figures — not a verdict, a conversation starter. She’s also currently accepting a small number of practice clients for her Astro Parts Method sessions: guided meetings with your planets as parts, using active imagination. Interest form open now.
Chelsea Owens
Licensed therapist · Certified IFS Level 3
Chelsea works with individuals using Internal Family Systems therapy — the same framework she brings to Parts & Charts. Her sessions are warm, rigorous, and grounded in genuine clinical training. Now accepting new clients.
Lisa Broggi
Licensed therapist and Astrologer
Lisa Broggi’s website and teaching offerings
The Lilith Therapist TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@the.lilith.therapist
Lisa’s website: https://www.pinkmoontherapy.com/
Credits:
Music “Vape Juice Dave’s Bistro” composed by Scott Cary (Wild Western Avenue) for the feature film RINGOLEVIO (2020) directed by KP Kaszubowski - performed by Scott Cary, Max Wikoff, Else Albeck Gasparka, and Sarah Luther
The cover image is a collage by Chelsea Owens.
