In this eighth episode of Parts & Charts: The IFS and Astrology Podcast, Chelsea and KP explore:
How wounds live in us not just as pain, but as pathways to presence, curiosity, and storytelling.
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This episode dives into the deep end of woundedness. We talk about the IFS concept of burdens, how parts hold pain from the past, and what healing actually looks like (often visual, elemental, and slow). We also wander into Chiron’s domain in astrology, the “wounded healer,” and reflect on how our charts reveal both the tenderness and the tools we’ve been given to metabolize it.
We bring in tarot, psychodrama, middle school shame, and how speaking up (even in a podcast) can feel like standing at the front of class with no notes. This one’s for the part of you that’s scared to say the wrong thing and the part that knows that woundedness can be alchemized, not erased.
We also dream up workshops where Pluto gets played by a friend in a cape, talk about how burdens get released through elemental rituals, and share our own Chiron placements and the tender places they light up.
“There’s no reward for being woundless. We’re not rushing to get anywhere.”
Key Quotes:
“What the wound is… is just a beautiful need.” — Chelsea, reframing pain in the language of compassion.
“Chiron energy is ripe for exploration—because it asks us to love, not fix.” — KP, on astrology’s wounded healer.
“The swords hold the wound in place. And you get to choose whether to pull them out.” — KP, interpreting the Three of Swords tarot card.
“There’s a whole protocol for unburdening in IFS. It’s like soul-level somatic magic.” — Chelsea, on releasing burdens through elements.
“Middle school logic is still alive in us. And it deserves respect.” — Chelsea, on exiled parts and internalized beliefs.
Timestamps & Key Topics:
00:00 – Welcome back + how to talk about wounds without it being a bummer
02:00 – Tarot pulls: Three of Swords, Ace of Swords, and the Magician as wound wisdom
06:00 – Acting, pretending, and the psychodrama of healing
09:00 – What burdens mean in IFS and how they’re released
15:00 – Do we all have wounds? What’s “normal”? And is healing ever done?
20:00 – Exiles in IFS: the tender parts we bury and protect
26:00 – Chiron in astrology: the wound, the gift, the alchemy
33:00 – Protective parts in the chart? Chiron's planetary neighbors
38:00 – Trauma bonding, skepticism, and why wounds don’t define your worth
43:00 – Chiron transits + the “middle school energy” of re-wounding
46:00 – Our middle school wounds + how they still show up today
50:00 – Chiron in KP’s chart and what it means for art, value, and love
Resources mentioned:
No Bad Parts by Dr. Richard Schwartz
The Internal Family Systems Institute: ifs-institute.com
Chiron mythology (search your Chiron placement + aspects for insight)
The Rehearsal by Nathan Fielder (HBO)
Tarot cards discussed: Three of Swords, Ace of Swords, The Magician
Narrative astrology & psychodrama groups (Google: “astrology drama circle”)
or check out the Living Astrologies conference: https://livingastrologies.net/about
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Credits:
Music “Vape Juice Dave’s Bistro” composed by Scott Cary (Wild Western Avenue) for the feature film RINGOLEVIO (2020) directed by KP Kaszubowski - performed by Scott Cary, Max Wikoff, Else Albeck Gasparka, and Sarah Luther
The cover image is a collage by Chelsea Owens.
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