In this episode of Parts & Charts: The IFS and Astrology Podcast, Chelsea and KP explore:
Why Cancer season is the perfect starting point for their new zodiac series—and why this watery archetype is deeply personal for both of them.
They unpack the Cancer archetype from ancient myths to modern moods: what it means to be ruled by the Moon, how Cancer’s shell symbolizes both protection and vulnerability, and why this sign is often misunderstood as “crabby” when it’s actually a master of empathy, care, and emotional attunement.
This episode dives into the Cancerian gift for creating safe spaces, the complex dance of codependency, and the wisdom of tending to your own inner world. KP shares the Thema Mundi and the idea of spirit becoming flesh at the height of summer, while Chelsea offers reflections on healthy boundaries, control, and love in action.
They talk humor, home-making, creativity, and why Cancer energy can feel like a warm, protective nest—and sometimes, a tender trap. They also explore the gifts and challenges of Cancer’s cardinal nature: the urge to initiate, to nurture, and the lessons of discernment in where we pour our care.
Key Quotes:
“Cancer archetype is like the person who’s still tapped in beyond rational thinking.” — KP, on Cancer’s intuitive nature.
“Our moods are always changing, but there is a constancy too—that’s the wisdom of the moon.” — KP, connecting Cancer’s ruler to emotional cycles.
“If I don’t do it, who else will?” — Chelsea, on Cancer’s impulse to care and the risk of burnout.
“The moon teaches us we can change daily and still be trustworthy.” — KP
“Cancer humor is goofy, not cruel—it doesn’t punch down.” — KP, on the kind of lightness Cancer brings.
“We all need a strong shell sometimes—but too much can keep connection out.” — Chelsea
“Cancer archetype is about knowing when to protect yourself and when to let love in.” — KP
Timestamps & Key Topics:
00:00 — Welcome to the pod + why Cancer season is the perfect launch
02:00 — The word Cancer: crabs, turtles, and scarabs
05:00 — The Thema Mundi & why some consider Cancer the zodiac’s first sign
10:00 — Cancer as spirit becoming flesh, the umbilical cord metaphor
15:00 — Humor, imagination, and Cancer’s goofy side
20:00 — Shelled creatures as a metaphor for protection and vulnerability
25:00 — Cancerian caretaking, home-making, and the art of nesting
30:00 — Codependency: the difference between love in action and controlling care
35:00 — The Moon’s lessons on constancy and change
40:00 — Cancer’s challenges with boundaries and discernment
45:00 — Cancer as the archetype of the narrator, character empathy, and writing
50:00 — Using Cancer season for self-reflection, healing, and tending your inner parts
Resources we mentioned in the episode:
Thema Mundi chart
Authors who write in many different characters who have significant Cancer placements: Octavia Butler, Ernest Hemingway, Iris Murdoch, Franz Kafka, June Jordan, Thoreau, E.B.White, Anthony Bourdain, Nathaniel Hawthorne, Leo Tolstoy, Elizabeth Gilbert, Carmen Maria Machado, Cormac McCarthy
No Bad Parts by Dr. Richard Schwartz
Internal Family Systems Institute: ifs-institute.com
Chelsea’s therapy info: chelseaowenstherapy.com
KP’s astrology sessions, writing, and workshops: kpkaszu.com
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Credits:
Music “Vape Juice Dave’s Bistro” composed by Scott Cary (Wild Western Avenue) for the feature film RINGOLEVIO (2020) directed by KP Kaszubowski - performed by Scott Cary, Max Wikoff, Else Albeck Gasparka, and Sarah Luther
The cover image is a collage by Chelsea Owens.
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